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Platypus (was RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy)
From: "Anton J Aylward" <anton () the-wire com>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:14:11 -0400
On Wednesday, October 20, 1999 1:08 AM, Marcus J. Ranum said :
The idea's got some merit - things will/would/can be better if we all use the same terms to describe the same kinds of events. That's just common sense. How far it'll go is still somewhat open to question.
Taxonomy is the basis for all science, all the way back to Aristotle, and his work on plants and animals. Geology only took off when we were able to classify rocks and minerals. However, any taxonomy is also deceptive, since one the categories are laid down, you have a tool to mould people's thinking. Geology suffered from revisions when we understood the earth's morphological processes. Plant and animal taxonomy is being revised today with out understanding of DNA (not DNS) at both the cellular and mitochondrial levels. Aristotle based his taxonomy, which the Swedish botanist Linneaus and others on the animals and plants he knew in the 'old world'. The Americas and Oceanea brought to light species that upset a lot of the traditional classifications. Hence my title: Platypus. Mammals are warm blooded and bear their young alive. Platypuses lay eggs, but otherwise appear to be mammals. In another setting, one might have die-hard Linneans assert that all of Australia was populated by the feral descendants of an alien space-craft, and refuse to categorise them. When we compare this to some of the distorted religious and political beliefs held by otherwise "sane" people, it doesn't seem so extreme. The annals of science are filled with odd-ball theories. My point is that while a taxonomy is better than no taxonomy, a taxonomy blinds you things because you will try to fit something new into the old taxonomy. If you make the taxonomy too flexible it can become meaningless for a number of reasons, one of which is that each instance become its own class. Taxonomy worked for rocks, once we understood the fixed number of geometric patterns crystals could form in; it worked for plants and animals because species evolve slowly, so slowly as to appear to be a fixed set -- hence the religious war over the issue. But I don't think vulnerabilities and exposures are like that. Oh, we can make sweeping categorisations, wetware, hardware, software. Stupidity or ignorance. We can make causal analysis based on principles that go back to issues like architecture, programming skills and such like. But for the rest of it, we're in a red queen's race. As technology moves on, so new _kidns_of_ exposures come to light. A simple review of the last decade or two will illustrate this quite dramatically. We didn't have the Internet, we didn't have PCs, we didn't have Windows, we didn't have Microsoft or hundreds of other software developers. Perhaps a better analogy would be some kind of science fiction story, exploring new planets and new life forms that have no common evolutionary basis with earth. Each new planet (innovation in technology) brings with it a whole new biosphere that cannot be fitted in to a taxonomy based on earth's biology. My fear is that, on the one hand, the taxonomy will blind us and render us incapable or recognising things we should because we can't fir them into the categories we have, and on the other, we will force something into an inappropriate category. As I said earlier, geology suffered from these kinds of problems until there was an understanding of the processes which formed the rocks. Perhaps we should be looking at the processes by which these vulnerabilities and exposures come about and seeing if there isn't more commonality there. After all, coal, diamond and graphite are all carbon, its the process by which they're former that matters. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Anton J Aylward, CISSP | The Internet is not the greatest System Integrity | threat to information security; InfoSec Auditing & Consulting | stupidity is the greatest threat Voice: (416) 421-8182 | to information security. aja () si on ca | Will Spencer <will.spencer () gte net>
Current thread:
- The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Rick Smith (Oct 19)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 19)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Scott Blake (Oct 20)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Rick Smith (Oct 20)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Adam Shostack (Oct 21)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Anton J Aylward (Oct 21)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Adam Shostack (Oct 21)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Anton J Aylward (Oct 21)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Adam Shostack (Oct 21)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 19)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Doty, Ted (ISSAtlanta) (Oct 20)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Anton J Aylward (Oct 21)
- Re: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Bill_Royds (Oct 20)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Russ (Oct 20)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Doty, Ted (ISSAtlanta) (Oct 21)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Anton J Aylward (Oct 21)
- RE: The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures taxonomy Russ (Oct 23)
